Poll: When you take training, which of these do you prefer most? Thread poster: ProZ.com Staff
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I have a clear preference for live courses, though I have been trying to learn Dutch online, but I’m usually too busy working and when I’m not the last thing I want to do is training. The last live training course I did was 7 years ago when I attended a summer course at Nova University in Lisbon on the formation of neologisms in modern Portuguese...
| | | | | don't believe in trainings | Jan 20 |
I don't believe in training, courses, classes, programs of studies organized by others, etc. I organize my own training when I want to learn something.
Here is a summary of my philosophy on this matter:
- If a person wants to learn something, he/she will find the resources, study them and learn most efficiently on his own - for such a person, trainings, courses etc. are a waste of time and money and in effect just obstacles that make the entire learning process ineffici... See more I don't believe in training, courses, classes, programs of studies organized by others, etc. I organize my own training when I want to learn something.
Here is a summary of my philosophy on this matter:
- If a person wants to learn something, he/she will find the resources, study them and learn most efficiently on his own - for such a person, trainings, courses etc. are a waste of time and money and in effect just obstacles that make the entire learning process inefficient and slower than necessary.
- People who are looking for or interested in trainings, courses, etc. are typically people who would like to know something, but are too lazy to actually do the real work on their own. They are looking for something symbolic that make them feel that they are learning it, and that makes it look to others that they are making an effort and something that in the end they can blame if they find that they didn't end up learning the thing sufficiently well. ("I didn't learn it because the teacher was bad, or because I missed too many classes, etc.") That's why they sign up for courses.
- People and organizations who provide trainings and courses are usually just looking to make money by exploiting that demand.
- State governments support education and school systems because it gives them an excuse for existing and for charging taxes. They make it look as if the government is doing something useful.
- Schools don't exist to educate children or help them learn and develop as people (although people like to believe that). They have nothing to do with education and are in fact extremely inefficient institutions for educating children. Their main function is to make sure the children are taken care of for the day so that both their parents can work during the day, while at the same time the state uses that possession of the children to indoctrinate them and form suitable future citizens.
I know you agree.
[Edited at 2024-01-20 05:23 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | Lingua 5B 
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 00:33
Member (2009)
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Thomas Johansson wrote:
I don't believe in training, courses, classes, programs of studies organized by others, etc. I organize my own training when I want to learn something.
Here is a summary of my philosophy on this matter:
- If a person wants to learn something, he/she will find the resources, study them and learn most efficiently on his own - for such a person, trainings, courses etc. are a waste of time and money and in effect just obstacles that make the entire learning process inefficient and slower than necessary.
- People who are looking for or interested in trainings, courses, etc. are typically people who would like to know something, but are too lazy to actually do the real work on their own. They are looking for something symbolic that make them feel that they are learning it, and that makes it look to others that they are making an effort and something that in the end they can blame if they find that they didn't end up learning the thing sufficiently well. ("I didn't learn it because the teacher was bad, or because I missed too many classes, etc.") That's why they sign up for courses.
- People and organizations who provide trainings and courses are usually just looking to make money by exploiting that demand.
- State governments support education and school systems because it gives them an excuse for existing and for charging taxes. They make it look as if the government is doing something useful.
- Schools don't exist to educate children or help them learn and develop as people (although people like to believe that). They have nothing to do with education and are in fact extremely inefficient institutions for educating children. Their main function is to make sure the children are taken care of for the day so that both their parents can work during the day, while at the same time the state uses that possession of the children to indoctrinate them and form suitable future citizens.
I know you agree.
[Edited at 2024-01-20 05:23 GMT]
To form suitable future employees (they get trained at fixed “work hours” from age 6).
I agree with you partially, such as schools are slow, with unoptimized programs, often ineffiecient.
But schools are also a place to socialize and meet diversity. How will home-schooled children achieve that? They may continue living in a forest all their life, then they don’t need it. Also, while learning something I often find the knowledge is absorbed differently in a group (better) than on my own (sterile knowledge). That is not to say that I believe programs and courses are efficient (especially online programs).
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Dan Lucas
United Kingdom
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Member (2014)
Japanese to English
Thomas Johansson wrote:
Here is a summary of my philosophy on this matter:
Your view on education boils down to deschooling a la Ivan Illich, basically. The 1960s called and they want their half-baked philosophies back! No, it's well-intentioned to be sure, but also naive to think that the huge populations of industrial or post-industrial societies could be educated with voluntary and informal pre-industrial methods.
One-on-one tutoring might have worked for Chiron and Hercules on Mount Pelion, but supply of centaurs is limited, especially in modern urban habitats. I doubt that a deschooling approach would do anything except destroy our existing mechanism for delivering what little education we do manage to impart in today's young people. Schools are like capitalism: a terrible system, but better than anything else yet tried.
I have much more sympathy for Illich's views on modern medicine.
As for professional training, a good program can massively speed up the acquisition of new skills, or so I have found. The problem is finding the right ones.
Dan
| | | | Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
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| That’s exactly the problem | Jan 20 |
I always prefer in-person courses. During lockdown, I visited some online thematic groups, and can’t describe how badly and inefficiently everything was organized.
I agree with Thomas that schools are mostly a business (for school owners and teachers, they need their jobs). Just take a look at their pitches and marketing presentations (and they just copy-paste same curriculum programs year in-year out, no innovation whatsoever, the only innovation is their tuition fees). But it’... See more I always prefer in-person courses. During lockdown, I visited some online thematic groups, and can’t describe how badly and inefficiently everything was organized.
I agree with Thomas that schools are mostly a business (for school owners and teachers, they need their jobs). Just take a look at their pitches and marketing presentations (and they just copy-paste same curriculum programs year in-year out, no innovation whatsoever, the only innovation is their tuition fees). But it’s better than nothing, what are the alternatives? Studying on your own in a forest? That’s not knowledge, that’s sterile theory. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Quentin NEVEN
Belgium
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| I agree with Dan on this one | Jan 20 |
Hi.
I agree with Dan on this one, particularly with the comparison with capitalism: both are bad systems, yet the best so far.
I really really enjoy learning by myself, it is so exciting! Schools do not suit everyone, but it is a good thing we have them.
I also do not think people are endoctrinated through education, quite the opposite!
A good education will teach you intelectual curiosity and critical thinking, which in turn allow you to d... See more Hi.
I agree with Dan on this one, particularly with the comparison with capitalism: both are bad systems, yet the best so far.
I really really enjoy learning by myself, it is so exciting! Schools do not suit everyone, but it is a good thing we have them.
I also do not think people are endoctrinated through education, quite the opposite!
A good education will teach you intelectual curiosity and critical thinking, which in turn allow you to deconstruct ideas and opinons you were influenced to believe in. ▲ Collapse
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