Aug 7, 2011 19:26
12 yrs ago
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Spanish term
"cautiva" (slang)
May offend
Spanish to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
literature (Mexican)
Hi, All,
This is a term that I know the meaning of but have no idea how to say in English. It refers to a prostitute who has a pimp that "manages" her and takes most of her money (as opposed to a "clandestina", who works, shall we say, "freelance", for herself).
I have found it quite hard to Google this effectively, and am at a loss. I know that, for instance, "call girls" work for agencies. But this is far too high a register for the given context. And also, in the context (contemporary Mexican novel), both the "cautivas" and the "clandestinas" are hanging out in bars and on the street looking for joes. So the "call" part doesn't work.
If anyone has suggestions for low-register terms here, I would be very appreciative (happily willing to consider neologisms, too!). Since the prose is quite lyrical (despite the subject matter) I am looking for something that is not clunky and overly explanatory. A snappy term that, even if it's not 100% obvious, at least makes it easy to surmise what might be implied.
Many thanks!
xLisa
This is a term that I know the meaning of but have no idea how to say in English. It refers to a prostitute who has a pimp that "manages" her and takes most of her money (as opposed to a "clandestina", who works, shall we say, "freelance", for herself).
I have found it quite hard to Google this effectively, and am at a loss. I know that, for instance, "call girls" work for agencies. But this is far too high a register for the given context. And also, in the context (contemporary Mexican novel), both the "cautivas" and the "clandestinas" are hanging out in bars and on the street looking for joes. So the "call" part doesn't work.
If anyone has suggestions for low-register terms here, I would be very appreciative (happily willing to consider neologisms, too!). Since the prose is quite lyrical (despite the subject matter) I am looking for something that is not clunky and overly explanatory. A snappy term that, even if it's not 100% obvious, at least makes it easy to surmise what might be implied.
Many thanks!
xLisa
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | pimped hoe/ho |
lorenab23
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| 5 | prostitute |
Jonathan Norris
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| 3 +1 | pimp-controlled |
FVS (X)
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| 4 | bottom girl//bottom woman//bottom bitch |
Lydia De Jorge
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Proposed translations
+2
19 hrs
Selected
pimped hoe/ho
low register...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all so much. I wish the system allowed me to pick two answers, since I really think "bottom girl" is in a way actually closer to the meaning of what I am looking for, but I fear it would lead to misunderstanding (I myself assumed until I clicked on the link that it meant something very different!). Many many thanks to all of you for chipping in!"
+1
6 mins
pimp-controlled
Just a guess/suggestion
www.pineforge.com/ballantinestudy/articles/Chapter09_Articl...
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by C WILLIAMSON - 2002 - Cited by 33 - Related articles
Street-level prostitution is comprised of both pimp-controlled prostitution and ... pimp-related violence to women involved in pimp-controlled prostitution. ...
vaw.sagepub.com/content/10/2/189.full.pdf
by M Norton-Hawk - 2004 - Cited by 18 - Related articles
A study of 50 incarcerated urban prostitutes finds that 40% have been under the control of a pimp. Pimp-controlled prostitutes are more likely to be single, ...
secondchancetoledo.org/.../pimp-controlled-prostitution-still-integra... - Cached
6 Apr 2010 – Pimp-Controlled Prostitution: Still an Integral Part of Street Life. Published in Violence Against Women, 8(9), 1074-1092 ...
www.prostitutionresearch.com/faq/000008.html - Cached
80% to 95% of all prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press) ...
www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=196630 - Cached
by C Williamson - 2002 - Cited by 33 - Related articles
Despite a steady increase in independent prostitution, research indicates that pimp-controlled prostitution is still a reality for some women involved in ...
As I say, just a suggestion.
www.pineforge.com/ballantinestudy/articles/Chapter09_Articl...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
by C WILLIAMSON - 2002 - Cited by 33 - Related articles
Street-level prostitution is comprised of both pimp-controlled prostitution and ... pimp-related violence to women involved in pimp-controlled prostitution. ...
vaw.sagepub.com/content/10/2/189.full.pdf
by M Norton-Hawk - 2004 - Cited by 18 - Related articles
A study of 50 incarcerated urban prostitutes finds that 40% have been under the control of a pimp. Pimp-controlled prostitutes are more likely to be single, ...
secondchancetoledo.org/.../pimp-controlled-prostitution-still-integra... - Cached
6 Apr 2010 – Pimp-Controlled Prostitution: Still an Integral Part of Street Life. Published in Violence Against Women, 8(9), 1074-1092 ...
www.prostitutionresearch.com/faq/000008.html - Cached
80% to 95% of all prostitution is pimp-controlled. (Kathleen Barry, The Prostitution of Sexuality, 1995, New York, New York University Press) ...
www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=196630 - Cached
by C Williamson - 2002 - Cited by 33 - Related articles
Despite a steady increase in independent prostitution, research indicates that pimp-controlled prostitution is still a reality for some women involved in ...
As I say, just a suggestion.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Emma Cox
: I agree - because I don't think there is a separate word for that type of prostitute.
1 hr
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It's a bit conjectural on my part. Thanks Emma.
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3 hrs
Lydia De Jorge
United States
United States
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&
English
Specializes in field
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Don't just say it, say it right!
Native in: Spanish 
, English
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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133
bottom girl//bottom woman//bottom bitch
Note from asker:
| Lydia, thank you so much. I had no idea this term existed, and it is ALMOST exactly what I want (with the exception of the "pimp's favorite" part). I've now found that there is a popular song with the title, too! (The lyrics are online and the are horrid!). I appreciate your input very much. xLisa |
3 hrs
Jonathan Norris
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
Specializes in field
United States
Fast, Accurate Translation & Copyediting
Native in: English , Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish
prostitute
Also, you might try working girl. Obviously, English does not have commonly used terms that readily make the distinction between one type of working girl and the other. There are a million ways to say prostitute, but none of them have any inference beyond making a simple identification of the profession.
And where you said "joes," the word you are looking for to describe a prostitute's patrons is "johns."
And where you said "joes," the word you are looking for to describe a prostitute's patrons is "johns."
Note from asker:
| Thanks, Jonathan, you're absolutely right, I did mean "johns"! |
Discussion
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