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French translation: [...] est nommé (/ désigné) par un choix politique du Premier ministre

08:44 Jan 3, 2022
English to French translations [PRO]
Government / Politics
English term or phrase: "political nominee"
The Chairman is a political nominee designated by the Prime Minister.
Zekurios
French translation:[...] est nommé (/ désigné) par un choix politique du Premier ministre
Explanation:
I don't see any direct translation that wouldn't sound awkward.

"une nomination politique" ?

le choix de [...] est une nomination politique par le Premier ministre

There might be some kind of formal "selection process" involved, but any "political nominee" can be put in place simply at the discretion of the Prime Minister (or whoever is in position to appoint heads of various bodies) so "candidates / elections" are NOT a required part of this story.

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The tricky part here is that this "political nominee" is not "a politician" of any description - this "Chairman" is a "political" nominee because he was put in place by a politician (as opposed to being put in that position by shareholders, for example), and that's about the extent of this Chairman "being political".

IOW the "political" in this Chairman being a "political nominee" is ONLY about who put this Chairman in that position, nothing else.
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Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:29
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Summary of answers provided
5représentant politique
Samuel Clarisse
3 +1[...] est nommé (/ désigné) par un choix politique du Premier ministre
Daryo
4 -1élu
Renate Radziwill-Rall
3Candidat politique
Samuël Buysschaert
3 -1Oui, représentant ou personnalité politique
gilbertlu
4 -2candidat d'une circonscription aux élections
Francois Boye
Summary of reference entries provided
Not UK, but the story is the same
Daryo

Discussion entries: 6





  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
représentant politique


Explanation:
Assez explicite.

Samuel Clarisse
France
Local time: 06:29
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 7
Notes to answerer
Asker: Un représentant politique assure la représentation de celui qui le nomme à cette fonction. Dans ce contexte, le "nominé" n'a pas le rôle de représentation. Le contexte sous-entend plutôt que la nomination est d'ordre politique. Comment peut-on traduire donc le "political nominee" sans rôle de représentation, mais qui a fait l'objet d'une nomination politique?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: that might well be true - at least to some extent - but that's not the implied meaning. // CL5 about that, BTW
13 hrs

agree  Germaine: avec représentant/mandataire politique, mais pas avec l'explication.
1 day 8 hrs
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28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Oui, représentant ou personnalité politique


Explanation:
Suggestion personnelle, vu le contexte

gilbertlu
Local time: 06:29
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 35

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: neither
13 hrs
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47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
élu


Explanation:
un élu (le terme est vague, mais regroupe toutes les classes de représentants politiques)

Renate Radziwill-Rall
France
Local time: 06:29
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Je confirme que le terme est vague et que le "political nominee" n'est nécessairement pas élu. Il peut être désigné que par une seule personne compétente. Veuillez lire la note que j'ai rajoutée à l'attention de S.C.


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disagree  Daryo: certainly not - clue: designated by the Prime Minister
12 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
political nominee
Candidat politique


Explanation:
Une suggestion,
Peut-être "candidat politique"

(Cela dépend bien du contexte, le pays, ... la façon dont la désignation s'est produite.)

Mais peut-être la solution si on cherche à indiquer qu'une personne est l'objet d'une nomination politique.

Si par exemple plusieurs personnes ont été pressenties ou ont brigué cette position, et que le "choix" a été fait parmi ces postulants.
La personne devient alors un candidat politique pour ce poste.

Candidat
https://cnrtl.fr/definition/candidat
Nominee
https://www.wordreference.com/enfr/nominee

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Exemple d'application:
Le candidat XXX sera nommé au poste de ...

Exemple:
Nations Unies
https://www.un.org/sg/fr/appointment.shtml
https://www.un.org/fr/pga/75/sg-selection


Samuël Buysschaert
France
Local time: 06:29
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Anastasia Kalantzi
3 hrs
  -> Merci !

disagree  Daryo: https://cnrtl.fr/definition/candidat that's on the right track, but that person is no longer a "candidate" as this ST is about a Chairman that's already been "nominated" // in fact no "candidates" are needed a "choice of one" often happens.
9 hrs
  -> Les conditions ne sont pas connues ici mais on peut très bien avoir un seul candidat en course/lice/pressenti... qui sera désigné pour le poste par exemple.
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
candidat d'une circonscription aux élections


Explanation:
Most MPs are members of one of the three main political parties in the UK - Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat. Other MPs represent smaller parties or are independent of a political party.

To become an MP representing a main political party a candidate must be authorised to do so by the party's nominating officer. They must then win the most votes in the constituency.

Source: https://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/electi...

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 00:29
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 10

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: you don't get a "Chairman" involved as candidate in local politics /Thanks for opening my eyes - been in UK for some time, and still failed to notice that to be nominated [*by the PM*] as Chairman of some quango you need to be "elected by a constituency"!
4 hrs
  -> In UK elections, each nominee must be elected by a constitueny

disagree  Germaine: On ne sait rien de l'organe présidé et rien dans le texte ne suggère cette extrapolation qui ne survivrait pas à une retraduction vers l'anglais.
3 days 3 hrs
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
[The Chairman] is a political nominee designated by the Prime Minister.
[...] est nommé (/ désigné) par un choix politique du Premier ministre


Explanation:
I don't see any direct translation that wouldn't sound awkward.

"une nomination politique" ?

le choix de [...] est une nomination politique par le Premier ministre

There might be some kind of formal "selection process" involved, but any "political nominee" can be put in place simply at the discretion of the Prime Minister (or whoever is in position to appoint heads of various bodies) so "candidates / elections" are NOT a required part of this story.

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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs (2022-01-06 19:02:45 GMT)
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The tricky part here is that this "political nominee" is not "a politician" of any description - this "Chairman" is a "political" nominee because he was put in place by a politician (as opposed to being put in that position by shareholders, for example), and that's about the extent of this Chairman "being political".

IOW the "political" in this Chairman being a "political nominee" is ONLY about who put this Chairman in that position, nothing else.


Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:29
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 17
Notes to answerer
Asker: Je suis d'accord avec Daryo qu'il s'agit bien d'une nomination politique. La question maintenant est de savoir quel est le substantif qui correspond à l'objet de la nomination politique. Le référent d'une représentation politique est un représentant politique, comment désigne-t-on celui d'une nomination politique?


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  AllegroTrans: Correct construction if you want to avoid "personne nommée" which would make the sentence clunky
13 hrs
  -> yes, as desirable as it may be, you can't always just stick to the same sentence structure. Thanks!
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Reference comments


14 hrs
Reference: Not UK, but the story is the same

Reference information:
I don’t think journalists are opposed to self-regulation. What they will not accept – even if they are divided as you say – is government regulation. You are aware that whatever ‘independent’ institution the government puts in place to regulate anything – anything at all – will have a political nominee at its head who will not have any independence whatsoever, aren’t you?

You are wrong. Some journalists are adamantly and arrogantly opposed to any idea of self-regulation. But let us be fair. We derogatorily call “political nominee” any person nominated to any post, including persons nominated to bodies deemed to be “independent” as prescribed by law. The mere fact of being appointed by the prime minister or a minister does not make of a nominee a political stooge. Unless s/he behaves as one.


https://www.lexpress.mu/node/402709

Daryo
United Kingdom
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 17
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