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No peanuts for translators
Thread poster: Camilla Aldini
Camilla Aldini
Camilla Aldini
Spain
Local time: 09:49
Spanish to Italian
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Jan 30, 2023

Dear fellow translators,

I am relatively new here, but I would like to take advantage of this space to share my frustration with you.

I have only recently entered this world, but it seems that, in order to work, I have to be willing to accept ridiculous conditions (I guess you know what I am referring to). I have applied (through this and other marketplaces) to take part in various projects, but with no response or, perhaps given my lack of experience, with "indecent
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Dear fellow translators,

I am relatively new here, but I would like to take advantage of this space to share my frustration with you.

I have only recently entered this world, but it seems that, in order to work, I have to be willing to accept ridiculous conditions (I guess you know what I am referring to). I have applied (through this and other marketplaces) to take part in various projects, but with no response or, perhaps given my lack of experience, with "indecent proposals". I have also applied as a pro bono translator, but it seems that my language pairs have little market.

I feel stuck in a dead-end situation, or maybe I should just be more patient....Am I the only one? Would you like to share with me your first steps into the world of translation?

Thank you for listening to me...
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Chiara Santoriello
Chiara Santoriello  Identity Verified
Italy
Local time: 10:49
Member (2002)
English to Italian
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Same here after 23 years of full-time experience Jan 30, 2023

Dear Camilla,

Unfortunately also senior translators in these language combinations receive the same "indecent" proposals.

My 2 cents

Good luck!
Chiara

Camilla Aldini wrote:

Dear fellow translators,

I am relatively new here, but I would like to take advantage of this space to share my frustration with you.

I have only recently entered this world, but it seems that, in order to work, I have to be willing to accept ridiculous conditions (I guess you know what I am referring to). I have applied (through this and other marketplaces) to take part in various projects, but with no response or, perhaps given my lack of experience, with "indecent proposals". I have also applied as a pro bono translator, but it seems that my language pairs have little market.

I feel stuck in a dead-end situation, or maybe I should just be more patient....Am I the only one? Would you like to share with me your first steps into the world of translation?

Thank you for listening to me...


 
Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
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Portugal
Local time: 09:49
Member (2007)
English to Portuguese
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@Camilla Jan 30, 2023

Entering the translation world takes a lot of work. You need patience, diplomacy, persistence, resilience and even at times a pretty thick skin… Good luck, anyway!

Camilla Aldini
Rachel Waddington
Thomas T. Frost
Philip Lees
Sabrina Bruna
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Baran Keki
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Türkiye
Local time: 11:49
Member
English to Turkish
Who's paying peanuts? Jan 30, 2023

Is it the Italian agencies? I'd stay away from "other marketplaces".

Josephine Cassar
Matthias Brombach
 
Camilla Aldini
Camilla Aldini
Spain
Local time: 09:49
Spanish to Italian
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
@Chiara Santoriello Jan 30, 2023

Thank you for sharing your experience..

 
Camilla Aldini
Camilla Aldini
Spain
Local time: 09:49
Spanish to Italian
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
Baran Keki Jan 30, 2023

Not only Italian agencies..Anyway, thank you for your suggestion!

Angie Garbarino
 
Rachel Waddington
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United Kingdom
Local time: 09:49
Dutch to English
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Direct clients Jan 30, 2023

Don't limit yourself to agencies. You seem to be living in one of your source language countries so get out and network with tourism and hospitality companies who might be interested in attracting Italian customers. Use your contacts from your previous work if you can - let them know what you are doing. Build a social media presence so that you become a familiar name and people think of you when they need your services (or recommend you when someone else does). Join a translators network and mee... See more
Don't limit yourself to agencies. You seem to be living in one of your source language countries so get out and network with tourism and hospitality companies who might be interested in attracting Italian customers. Use your contacts from your previous work if you can - let them know what you are doing. Build a social media presence so that you become a familiar name and people think of you when they need your services (or recommend you when someone else does). Join a translators network and meet other translators. Read some marketing books and apply what you read.

Don't expect it to be easy - you are in a highly competitive sector. You will probably need to do more than just send out applications and wait for the work to come in. But you do have the advantage of a background in your specialism so work that for all it's worth.

Also, don't waste your time venting about the ridiculous offers, it will only drag you down.
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CroPro
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Croatia
Local time: 10:49
English to Croatian
Add English to your pairs Jan 30, 2023

And all of a sudden, you have two more working pairs (English > Spanish, English > Italian), both of which are in much higher demand. Here's a little nugget of truth you might, or you might not know about. Huge amount of material of all sorts is first translated into English just for the sake of making the whole process of finding translator easier. Because, Chinese > whateverlanguage translators are very rare, if you catch my drift. Thank me later... See more
And all of a sudden, you have two more working pairs (English > Spanish, English > Italian), both of which are in much higher demand. Here's a little nugget of truth you might, or you might not know about. Huge amount of material of all sorts is first translated into English just for the sake of making the whole process of finding translator easier. Because, Chinese > whateverlanguage translators are very rare, if you catch my drift. Thank me laterCollapse


 
Chiara Santoriello
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Italy
Local time: 10:49
Member (2002)
English to Italian
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Yes, but what about rates? Jan 31, 2023

This is true, but what about rates?



CroPro wrote:

And all of a sudden, you have two more working pairs (English > Spanish, English > Italian), both of which are in much higher demand. Here's a little nugget of truth you might, or you might not know about. Huge amount of material of all sorts is first translated into English just for the sake of making the whole process of finding translator easier. Because, Chinese > whateverlanguage translators are very rare, if you catch my drift. Thank me later


Jorge Payan
 
Renée van Bijsterveld
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Netherlands
Local time: 10:49
Member (2007)
English to Dutch
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Unfortunately so Jan 31, 2023

CroPro wrote:

And all of a sudden, you have two more working pairs (English > Spanish, English > Italian), both of which are in much higher demand. Here's a little nugget of truth you might, or you might not know about. Huge amount of material of all sorts is first translated into English just for the sake of making the whole process of finding translator easier. Because, Chinese > whateverlanguage translators are very rare, if you catch my drift. Thank me later


Indeed, unfortunately this happens, and often the material is translated into English by non-natives. And very often this means the so-called English source material for translation is less than perfect.
I'm not sure if you should translate into a language you don't master on a near-native level.


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Renée van Bijsterveld
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Same here (35+ years) Jan 31, 2023

I have only recently entered this world, but it seems that, in order to work, I have to be willing to accept ridiculous conditions (I guess you know what I am referring to). I have applied (through this and other marketplaces) to take part in various projects, but with no response or, perhaps given my lack of experience, with "indecent ...


Unfortunately this is how it is. Most agencies keep trying to lower the rates or refuse to accept an increase. The last time I was able to 'raise' my rates was in 2002. The struggle to not accept lower rates is constant. But I still manage to stick to my rates of 2002

I agree, direct customers probably offer better rates. And may be more interesting to work for. I'd suggest to stay away from the big, global agencies.

Be patient and persistent. Good luck!

[Bijgewerkt op 2023-01-31 07:14 GMT]

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Chiara Santoriello
Camilla Aldini
Christel Zipfel
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Yaotl Altan
 
Sławomira Kaczmarek
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United Kingdom
Member (2007)
English to Polish
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Listen to Rachel! Jan 31, 2023

'Indecent proposals' made me chuckle. Yes, I think they are normal in the translation world. But take Rachel Waddington's advice above, she very kindly spent some time giving you great tips.

Camilla Aldini
Kay Denney
Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
 
Camilla Aldini
Camilla Aldini
Spain
Local time: 09:49
Spanish to Italian
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
Thank you! Jan 31, 2023

Thank you for all your important suggestions. I will put more effort into the marketing part, the one where I am actually less prepared.


Rachel Waddington wrote:

Don't limit yourself to agencies. You seem to be living in one of your source language countries so get out and network with tourism and hospitality companies who might be interested in attracting Italian customers. Use your contacts from your previous work if you can - let them know what you are doing. Build a social media presence so that you become a familiar name and people think of you when they need your services (or recommend you when someone else does). Join a translators network and meet other translators. Read some marketing books and apply what you read.

Don't expect it to be easy - you are in a highly competitive sector. You will probably need to do more than just send out applications and wait for the work to come in. But you do have the advantage of a background in your specialism so work that for all it's worth.

Also, don't waste your time venting about the ridiculous offers, it will only drag you down.


Rachel Waddington
 
Camilla Aldini
Camilla Aldini
Spain
Local time: 09:49
Spanish to Italian
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
I already have EN>IT Jan 31, 2023

I only translate into Italian which is my native language


CroPro wrote:

And all of a sudden, you have two more working pairs (English > Spanish, English > Italian), both of which are in much higher demand. Here's a little nugget of truth you might, or you might not know about. Huge amount of material of all sorts is first translated into English just for the sake of making the whole process of finding translator easier. Because, Chinese > whateverlanguage translators are very rare, if you catch my drift. Thank me later


Michele Fauble
 
Laurent Di Raimondo
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France
Local time: 10:49
English to French
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Jan 31, 2023



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